so im waiting for my first G1 A horse so i thought id have a look to see how many shotgun mike has.

This is 2 yrs olds only 193male G1 horses with 67 being A class 220 female horses with 77 being A class

ive brought 10 horses so far none a G1 class A

i understand also by other threads that it can take upto 100plus horses from the sales ring to get a G1 class A

so if my understandings are correct even if i pulled one every 20 horses that to even compete against shotgun mike i will need 67 males at 20 horses to get 1 A class thats 67 x 20 =1340 horses to buy at an increased rate at now 9.75 per horse without tack so before i start and this is just for 2 yrs old males i need £13,065 just to compete with 2 year old males against top owner and all this without tt guide how made would it be for me to invest £500 in this game il just hand over to you ,you take your cut and give rest to shotgun mike now. there should be a limit to all stables as this is makeing 1 person dominate this game and other ?

this info is avail on your site so if ive done something wrong dont ban me just warn me as this is for new people for info

thats also why you may lose alot of new players too

But if you spent that £500 on A claimers or auction you would be guarenteed A's 100% of the time:-). 11 weeks on the game has mellowed me to look at all options Moneymaker. trainers as mentioned will not have bought all from SR, in fact noticed afore mentioned bought 2 A's in same claimer today.

SR IS a lottery, well worse, even less chance of getting anything. If it were my £500, and quite new, I'd invest in A's up to top div grades, and I may be wrong but probably get good a's for £30 -£50 each.

Rob

Hi moneymaker, i see what you saying but i bougt 6 about 2 weeks ago and had 2x G1As from that. last month i bought around ten and also had 2 G1As
Just pot luck mate

Gary

I totally agree with Rob, only go to sales ring with BCs

Gary

dont you need a G1A to win BCs

i dont mean to be down about the game, its just for a game that most people love to play once bitten by the bug. your up against so much.

prices in the sales ring goes up when it should be put down, this gives back something to the players and would more then likely bring in more money for them, even if its a 3 day window at say halfprice horses No BCs as most new people dont have any.

the random factor hurt because if in real life you were looking to race horses you wouldnt start at G1As most people would build up there stables from the lowest class in maybe the first season and so on.

i dont think any new player should be expecting to win the derby in there first few seasons but in the sales ring it would help out across the board if there were more G3 to bring in players.

as for holding 200 plus horses for G1 A class males this should be capped

i also understand about auctions and claimers.

i would never buy from a claimer unless the owner made a big boo boo as if they dont want it they must have better.
as for the auction why pay £200 plus for a good G1A when you could pull a better horse via sales ring, what i mean by this is if i got a verygood G1A it wouldnt be no where near a auction or claims

as why sell red rum to get a horse like hello dandy sry old childhood winners for me grand nationals (got 13/1 on hello dandy)

my apploagise to shotgun mike if you read above and it offends you as was not ment to i just used you as an example as you are the best on here at the mo

Unfortunately, Thats the way of the world though, Im sure all the top owners have invested a lot of time and money to get in the postion there in, some may have struck lucky and pulled decent horses from the ring which gave them the leg up, others perhaps have gained knowledge of the claiming and auction route and paid good money to start them off, others have bought, raced, made profit then sold on, other have used the race system to maximise there average performing horses, maximising there earning potential, I dont begrudge anyone the position there are at or aspiring too, basically top horses, top prizes + bonuses = more trips to the sales ring, using bonus credits rather than hard cash, which in turn could lead to bringing in more potential stars to the yard to earn more, and so it continues, as in real racing the Maktoum's have the firepower, finances and resources to buy and sell the very best, same here in virtual terms

Mike has played this game for years!!! Hes an addict and hes also a great trainer with probably a huge bank account.

Not to mention that he can spend £500 on 1 horse! Obviously not everyone can compete at that...but he still is not guarenteed to win everything.

Not all of his horses is challengers or world beaters...well i doubt anyway.

Just buy from the auction.....thats the best place to buy your G1A's but you will have competition from me and others....Just do not bid over the top or get reeled in and bid more than you can afford! DO NOT use claimer and do not use the sales ring....use the auction and go for proven horses. Claimers are rubbish in my opinion aswell.

500 - i saw mike spend 1300 a couple of auctions ago.

fair play to him though, if he can afford to do it why not.

One comment for Larkspur,
The Maktoums don't buy blind like in the SR they have all the breeding knowledge & very often buy horses that have already run & therefore know the form. In addition they provide many trainers with their horses so at any one time they can have their pick of the best animals. This is not gambling - this is business - very different from the SR.
(RS)

If you believe the Maktoums dont buy duds your living in cloud cuckoo land, as for my analogy, the point I was trying to make is the bigger stables here have the buying power to buy from the sales ring in bulk, hence having a good basis of what TT's makes a good horse or a very good horse, and the law of averages says they will probably find in amongst that bulk buy a few top horses, with this information and the knowledge and experience can then start placing those horse to maximum potential, and start recouping more cash by selling those horse they know that they have better in there stable, and so it continues.

moneymaker i got a horse in a £9.15 claimer which had raced in a few challenge races as a 2 yr old and was still fairly decent. paul.

Larkspur,
Your last post describes the Maktoums buying method perfectlyLOL
(RS)

maktoums does buy dods anybody remember ARAZI french horse breaders cup winner (when he was 2yr) they paid £5 million to 1/2 share guess what happend he did NOT win single race and he was no good covering another colt called perth unraced cost £3.5 mil. did not win even maiden I'm sure plenty more you can name it

Arazi what a 2 year old, got a raceclub age change

money maker you can drop on a decent A grade in claimers or auction then biuld your bcs thats what i have done but with bcs and cash i have spent about 800 pounds and have not got a A yet.