Westie, you are correct that collectors havean advantage, but dont forget mate they spent hours collecting and manipulating this data. They have put the hours in so I think they have earnt that advantage. Unfair when your new i know, but they were new once, very long time ago!!

I would like to see a chart gives a rough guide for new players, maybe part of a welcoming pack, that says A's at 1200 run anwhere between 2 number, so a scale where we can judge and trial ourselves how good the horse is. knowing it is at the bottom of the scale would straight away say dont run in Challi or high grades.

Just my opinion.

Rob

Great post - often wondered what the term "clone" meant but how the hell do they manage to identify the correct clone when there are over 100,000 horses is the SR ? (is that right?....)
Assuming the TT's are not exactly the same between parent/clone, it must be tricky and time consuming - maybe Rob is right and they have earnt it......

Anyway now I understand where the term "TT collectors" comes from......

Excellent post Westfield. It's exactly this train of thought that I wish to see from my articles.

Kopites. You are correct and also make a valid point. Trainers have been here a long time and they have records of their own horses as well as others to go by.

Something that has come to the forefront of my thoughts is the ability for the trainer to decide whether to reveal TTs at auction for raced horses, or not. Would they want the added extra income from views or be happy that the form was good enough to stand up in auction. That could open a new dimension to tthe game.

One thing I must point out is that the subject content of my article is for debate only and carries no guarantee that any changes to the current system be made. I'm sure the Fun Polls will generate a good pointer towards what people want and maybe RC can encorporate the views of the community when taking the game forward.

Lee

Well I hope your articles do enable RC to take note and change the game Lee because many aspects of the game are badly in need of change IMO.

It would be such a refreshing change to see the majority of owners wishes listened to and acted upon.....

I'd guess the majority on here expect nothing from RC but we live in hope..... (maybe blind)

i agree to all the above but just to let you know how i got my tts.

there is a site but im not allowed to mention as i had a warning from ladbrokes yesterday about using even abreviations.

i got mine in the auctions, look for horses that have tts for viewing this will cost you 12p per horse but thats how i got a better idea of tts

hope this helps

Westie, agree with you mate. No TT's for horses that have run, lets get a bit of thinking i the game!! your right about a sliding scale, but hope that something is better than nothing.

Rob
YNWA
Marchin on together in Div 1 must be hard;-)

if they were to allow tts to be posted,

the first thing is every being honest with there tts and that if they were posting tts how close would races be at the finishing line.

it would def be down to the jockey you get.

this is an example only
horse A owned by kopites doing 30:01 at 2200
horse B owned by westfield gdns 30:04 at 2200
horse C owned by Money maker 30:07 at 2200
horse D owned by marine lodge 30:16 at 2200

and so on

kopites won from a 14 horse race tts ranging from 30:01 to say 30:51 his being the lowest so he obvs pulled CS as a jockey or he runs well

would you gamble more money on races knowing what tts are available to view as i would.
why cos if my horse is doing 30:07 and it came 2nd at 00:10 behind with an avarage jockey i now know that mine was the 3rd worst tts i got an avarage jockey also half the field post good tts against barrier but in a race it dont run well.
would this not bring in more income for RC

tts above for example only so is way over any horses tts ive seen

also as like tts in auctions they could charge us for posting tts or buying tts from other members for example

charge 50p for tts if you want to know what your up against 25p goes to RC 25p goes to the owner whos tts are required

this could be per horse too

also by charging for tts RC cut could go towards TTraces at the end of the month ect,
where if you were to post your tts the top 14 tts for the month posted, race for BC at all distances
no supp fees required for these races this might also be able to help with extra distances at G3 and bring in new players as you have more to offer

Hi, all I would'nt buy a horse from a claimer or auction without seeing its tts, and as for your suggestions of posting tts for races, good Idea. I also think it would be a good idea to see who has entered a race because when you enter your G1 Grade B into a maiden and come up against those G1 Grade As you have no chance, if you could see the runners in the race I would'nt throw my money away and everyone would get a fare crack of the whip. Eddie.

P.S Kopites please see your inbox.

As there so many players who have moderate horses, and require a level of snadbagging to compete, making TT's readily available would destroy this part of the gama and a big majority would be made unraceable.

Sorry chaps I was only talking of horses thst had not raced, Horses that have raced I always look at the race history of the horse.

Should TT's be made "readily available" on the site ?

I've no argument against it but time differences aside(is that the issue ?) why would I want to pay for something when I can e-mail or Inbox the owner for free ?

I must admit though I have paid the odd 10p or whatever at auctions when I can't get hold of the owner...

Whilst I like the idea of other owners paying me to see my TT's(if I am agreeable of course...) then that's fine, but the trouble is:

1) As Westfield says entries are not known until noms are closed.
2) Owners who are reluctant or decide not to give out information may think it unfair they are even being asked the question about whether to share them or not.

Even by owners effectively saying "No I won't share", other owners will question why you don't want them to be known, and it could hinder that owners progress of that horse if others smell a rat and decide not to enter against it.....

Of course on the other hand it may work the other way - this could all be a "bluff" by the owner with a poor horse who is pretending to have something they don't want to share but wants to shoo off the quality opposition - so hey maybe it IS an exciting idea, but unfortunately it's only possible after noms are closed.

Therein lies the "inconsistency" between fully filled races and those that are open up until 5 mins or so before the off.....

Unless RC are going to change the rule to allow all entries to be viewed,, then I can't see the resultant inconsistency between those open and closed races enhancing the game.

Out of interest why don't RC allow entries to be viewed in advance ?

I take Westies point about skill of placement but I can't believe that the REAL reason somehow....

Kerr-ching !

Love it, guess they don't know what I'm on about lol.....

Oh and just a quick word of congratulations to Lee(Moletown) for his excellently written article "Should Time Trials Be More Widely Available?" which I've just read in the Race Articles section.

For me it was really well written and puts everything into a clear perspective.
Not saying I agree with all of the suggestions, but as an article, I found it very enjoyable and hard to fault.

Ah, the founding fathers and the old US constitution - what a great nation it once was......

Cheers Marine Lodge, kind words always accepted.

I have the answer to your question. If the race entries were viewable as they entered races, the likes of Torres and SSS would never race, everyone would avoid entry. That is never going to change I'm affraid. I remeber once someone asked about declaration of non runner but on the same principle the entire field woud be removed and TL and SSS would have no race.

Lee